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My buddy Dustin Kensrue is back on the podcast. We discuss his band Thrice‘s newest album – horizons/east. On top of being a rock star, Dustin is a member of the #ProcessParty and in our conversation, we discuss how his views of faith, politics, and more have changed and are expressed in the album. Enjoy 🙂


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When Amy-Jill Levine, University Professor of New Testament and Jewish Studies at Vanderbilt Divinity School, looked at the gospels, when she read them, every once in a while Jesus would say something that would take her aback.

  • Sell all you have and give to the poor.
  • Comments about a fiery hell.
  • Hate your mother and your father.
  • You Jews are children of the devil.

She would read these versus, and I think Jesus what were you thinking? What did you mean?

Find answers and meaning to these perplexing teachings with Amy-Jill Levine and her new study The Difficult Words of Jesus: A Beginner’s Guide to His Most Perplexing Teachings. The study includes a book, leader guide, and video sessions.

With this study come learn, come be challenged, come be inspired, come be provoked, come be comforted, and come find even more of the Good News.

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